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	<title>Comments on: Sorry Andy, You&#8217;re Wrong: Google &#8216;Search Within A Site&#8217; Is A Big Deal</title>
	<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/</link>
	<description>Ciarán Norris blogs about SEO, social media, Web 2.0, music, stuff &#38; nonsense</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-696</guid>
		<description>Gremio - thanks for the comment. Couple of thoughts in response:



&lt;blockquote&gt;if the user is too unintelligent to click “search help” ..then they have absolutely no business existing, much less using any kind of indexing utility.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


This is a joke, right? People aren't too unintelligent, they simply can't be bothered - and why should they be? For most people the web is not a way of life, it's just a tool (and who really ever reads the instructions?)




&lt;blockquote&gt;Those large corporate companies are not loosing (sic) money from AdWords.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I'll just have to disagree with you here (as do a lot of &lt;a href="http://www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layout?p_l_id=61139&#038;CMPI_SHARED_articleId=636948&#038;CMPI_SHARED_ImageArticleId=636948&#038;CMPI_SHARED_articleIdRelated=636948&#038;CMPI_SHARED_ToolsArticleId=636948&#038;CMPI_SHARED_CommentArticleId=636948" rel="nofollow"&gt;major&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.birminghampost.net/birmingham-business/birmingham-business-news/e-business/2008/05/12/tesco-stands-firm-against-google-ad-policy-65233-20899344/" rel="nofollow"&gt;brands&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.travolution.co.uk/Articles/2008/05/06/1405/Lastminutecom+considers+legal+position+over+Google+trademark.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; in the UK). 


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All those companies have AdWords of their own I’m sure…that show up multiple times when searching for products from other companies and the like. It’s not just a 1-way street here…&lt;/blockquote&gt;



That's part of the point; at the time of me originally writing this, bidding on other brands was not allowed on Google. Amazingly, just after introducing this function, they changed their policy. As mentioned above, the lawsuits are now flowing and we'll see how that ends.


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Why wasn’t this made an issue 10 years ago?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Err, what? Because Google only just added the 'search within a site' box in the last few months. I fear that you may have missed the point of my entire post.


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In my opinion this is just another over-hyped bulletin to seed interest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



And I entirely respect your opinion. Even if it is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gremio - thanks for the comment. Couple of thoughts in response:</p>
<blockquote><p>if the user is too unintelligent to click “search help” ..then they have absolutely no business existing, much less using any kind of indexing utility.
</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a joke, right? People aren&#8217;t too unintelligent, they simply can&#8217;t be bothered - and why should they be? For most people the web is not a way of life, it&#8217;s just a tool (and who really ever reads the instructions?)</p>
<blockquote><p>Those large corporate companies are not loosing (sic) money from AdWords.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll just have to disagree with you here (as do a lot of <a href="http://www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layout?p_l_id=61139&#038;CMPI_SHARED_articleId=636948&#038;CMPI_SHARED_ImageArticleId=636948&#038;CMPI_SHARED_articleIdRelated=636948&#038;CMPI_SHARED_ToolsArticleId=636948&#038;CMPI_SHARED_CommentArticleId=636948" rel="nofollow">major</a> <a href="http://www.birminghampost.net/birmingham-business/birmingham-business-news/e-business/2008/05/12/tesco-stands-firm-against-google-ad-policy-65233-20899344/" rel="nofollow">brands</a> <a href="http://www.travolution.co.uk/Articles/2008/05/06/1405/Lastminutecom+considers+legal+position+over+Google+trademark.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> in the UK). </p>
<blockquote><p>
All those companies have AdWords of their own I’m sure…that show up multiple times when searching for products from other companies and the like. It’s not just a 1-way street here…</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s part of the point; at the time of me originally writing this, bidding on other brands was not allowed on Google. Amazingly, just after introducing this function, they changed their policy. As mentioned above, the lawsuits are now flowing and we&#8217;ll see how that ends.</p>
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Why wasn’t this made an issue 10 years ago?</p></blockquote>
<p>Err, what? Because Google only just added the &#8217;search within a site&#8217; box in the last few months. I fear that you may have missed the point of my entire post.</p>
<blockquote><p>
In my opinion this is just another over-hyped bulletin to seed interest.</p></blockquote>
<p>And I entirely respect your opinion. Even if it is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Gremio</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>Gremio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-693</guid>
		<description>Wow.  I noticed you responded in the comments, so obviously you knew this.

The site: search feature has existed as long as I can remember.  Years upon years.  And if the user is too unintelligent to click "search help" (which is the first thing I did when I got heavy into searches around 11 or so) or the current "advanced search" then they have absolutely no business existing, much less using any kind of indexing utility.

1) Those large corporate companies are not loosing money from AdWords.

What you're basically saying is people are too lazy to refine their search on google to find a competing company.  If they want to try something different from the major label, that's exactly what they're going to do.  Whether AdWords exists or not really has little effect on this.  It simply gives them another route for finding one.

2) All those companies have AdWords of their own I'm sure...that show up multiple times when searching for products from other companies and the like.  It's not just a 1-way street here...

3) Why wasn't this made an issue 10 years ago?

4) In my opinion this is just another over-hyped bulletin to seed interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I noticed you responded in the comments, so obviously you knew this.</p>
<p>The site: search feature has existed as long as I can remember.  Years upon years.  And if the user is too unintelligent to click &#8220;search help&#8221; (which is the first thing I did when I got heavy into searches around 11 or so) or the current &#8220;advanced search&#8221; then they have absolutely no business existing, much less using any kind of indexing utility.</p>
<p>1) Those large corporate companies are not loosing money from AdWords.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re basically saying is people are too lazy to refine their search on google to find a competing company.  If they want to try something different from the major label, that&#8217;s exactly what they&#8217;re going to do.  Whether AdWords exists or not really has little effect on this.  It simply gives them another route for finding one.</p>
<p>2) All those companies have AdWords of their own I&#8217;m sure&#8230;that show up multiple times when searching for products from other companies and the like.  It&#8217;s not just a 1-way street here&#8230;</p>
<p>3) Why wasn&#8217;t this made an issue 10 years ago?</p>
<p>4) In my opinion this is just another over-hyped bulletin to seed interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Day Two Recap - SMX Sydney SEO SEM Conference 2008 &#60; Rambling Thoughts Blog - Neerav Bhatt</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Day Two Recap - SMX Sydney SEO SEM Conference 2008 &#60; Rambling Thoughts Blog - Neerav Bhatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-270</guid>
		<description>[...] speaker at SMX Ciaran Norris asked a question about &#8220;search within search&#8221; and was clearly unhappy with Adam&#8217;s reply because he said sites effected by it can lose CPM revenue and also valuable user data which would [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] speaker at SMX Ciaran Norris asked a question about &#8220;search within search&#8221; and was clearly unhappy with Adam&#8217;s reply because he said sites effected by it can lose CPM revenue and also valuable user data which would [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Federal Watch</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Federal Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-119</guid>
		<description>Although the new feature of Google have advantages..we couldn't deny the fact that it also have its own disadvantages...I think it's better that NY Times reacted on Google's new feature early on...so that Google can improve its new feature..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the new feature of Google have advantages..we couldn&#8217;t deny the fact that it also have its own disadvantages&#8230;I think it&#8217;s better that NY Times reacted on Google&#8217;s new feature early on&#8230;so that Google can improve its new feature..</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Foreman -  Interactive Limited</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Foreman -  Interactive Limited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-118</guid>
		<description>Here here,

Google is an  out of control monopoly.  Better buy the stock now at 450 down from 700.  If you cannot beat them Join them.
At some point publishers will revolt with a lawsuit and Google will get smacked.  But while we argue about some egregious infringements on property rights. Google silently chips away at the fringes by slowly controlling all the tools, data and optimization methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here,</p>
<p>Google is an  out of control monopoly.  Better buy the stock now at 450 down from 700.  If you cannot beat them Join them.<br />
At some point publishers will revolt with a lawsuit and Google will get smacked.  But while we argue about some egregious infringements on property rights. Google silently chips away at the fringes by slowly controlling all the tools, data and optimization methods.</p>
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		<title>By: Catfish SEO</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Catfish SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-117</guid>
		<description>I agree with Dr. Pete.  It seems contradictory that Google would tell Web masters to block their internal search from robots because those results don't represent valid content, only to make them available through their own interface where they can monetize the traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dr. Pete.  It seems contradictory that Google would tell Web masters to block their internal search from robots because those results don&#8217;t represent valid content, only to make them available through their own interface where they can monetize the traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Pete</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-116</guid>
		<description>This seems to somewhat contradict Google's push to remove search results from search results. That move was good for Google, sites, and users, helping to insure that search results land on deeper pages (such as product pages). Pulling the search box across the Google threshold, though, completely violates expectations. People expect Google to be an inclusive search, not a site-specific search. I don't see how this helps anyone but Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to somewhat contradict Google&#8217;s push to remove search results from search results. That move was good for Google, sites, and users, helping to insure that search results land on deeper pages (such as product pages). Pulling the search box across the Google threshold, though, completely violates expectations. People expect Google to be an inclusive search, not a site-specific search. I don&#8217;t see how this helps anyone but Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-115</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the comment Malte - but I'm going to have to disagree with you.



&lt;blockquote&gt;"I like this feature and even though it might hurt some websites by drawing the users attention to AdWords ads it is (from a user perspective) a very helpfull feature!"&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I think what you mean is that it is, from &lt;em&gt;your perspective&lt;/em&gt;, a useful feature. I feel quite strongly that most normal users (and anyone who found this on Sphinn is, by their very nature, not a normal user) will find it a disappointing feature. If you're expecting to search a retail site, where is the option to filter by price; if it's a publishing (newspaper site) where's the filter by section or author; etc...

For anyone used to using the site: search, this may not be a big deal. But I'd bet that 99% of the online audience have no idea that the site: search even exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Malte - but I&#8217;m going to have to disagree with you.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I like this feature and even though it might hurt some websites by drawing the users attention to AdWords ads it is (from a user perspective) a very helpfull feature!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I think what you mean is that it is, from <em>your perspective</em>, a useful feature. I feel quite strongly that most normal users (and anyone who found this on Sphinn is, by their very nature, not a normal user) will find it a disappointing feature. If you&#8217;re expecting to search a retail site, where is the option to filter by price; if it&#8217;s a publishing (newspaper site) where&#8217;s the filter by section or author; etc&#8230;</p>
<p>For anyone used to using the site: search, this may not be a big deal. But I&#8217;d bet that 99% of the online audience have no idea that the site: search even exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Malte Landwehr</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Malte Landwehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-114</guid>
		<description>I often prefer a search via Google with site:example over the default internal searches of many websites (mediawiki, wordpress and phpBB always surprise me with their inability to find content relevant to my search query).

I like this feature and even though it might hurt some websites by drawing the users attention to AdWords ads it is (from a user perspective) a very helpfull feature!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often prefer a search via Google with site:example over the default internal searches of many websites (mediawiki, wordpress and phpBB always surprise me with their inability to find content relevant to my search query).</p>
<p>I like this feature and even though it might hurt some websites by drawing the users attention to AdWords ads it is (from a user perspective) a very helpfull feature!</p>
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		<title>By: rishil</title>
		<link>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>rishil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ciarannorris.co.uk/2008/03/24/sorry-andy-youre-wrong-google-search-within-a-site-is-a-big-deal/#comment-113</guid>
		<description>"but you’d certainly still want them to be returned in an internal search."

Thats an excellent observation Will - I hadnt thought of how SiS will affect PR sculpting techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but you’d certainly still want them to be returned in an internal search.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thats an excellent observation Will - I hadnt thought of how SiS will affect PR sculpting techniques.</p>
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